Hmm, those look interesting. Can't beat the price. I like the Cima Coppi merino shorts I have a lot, but they have fairly thick padding and when it's really hot and humid it's actually the padding that gets a bit uncomfortable. Thinner, 'classic' chamois might work better for me in hot weather. How stretchy are the 2velo shorts? I'm almost always a size M in just about everything, but based on their sizing chart it seems I might be a little closer to a S... I wouldn't want to get M and have them sag (though I suppose if they did, I could 'force' them to shrink...), but also don't want to order S and have them be too small......