Agree. I have no kick stands and generally just lean the bike against something. Easy. But when loaded touring I use a Click-Stand type prop (DIY) that uses the top tube. At camp sites I like to keep my tent away from tree trunks but also keep my bike next to the tent. The prop is very stable with a full, self supported, load. Very stable for unloading and reloading the panniers, etc. Pack the prop for the day and set it up again that evening.