What woodcraft & Iride01 said. A lot of bikes have passed through my shop with 3 or 4 carbon saddles they came with. To my shock one naked, no cover at all, carbon disappeared under me even with thin chamois. I has two sort of dimples that must have been just right for me, only marking on it is Pro Carbon just like this one on the bay:https://www.ebay.com/itm/32473715792...53.m1438.l2649. I still have it on a Vitus but the other carbons were such ass hatchets I would never buy one even at 99¢.