Just wanted to follow up on my previous posts. I ended up getting the new CAAD13 disc from LBS. It's a nice bike, smooth and actually comfortable. A little more than wanted to spend on an aluminum bike, but seems like not much different in feel from my old parlee z4 cf bike. Only negative is it actually does feel a bit heavier than parlee, but that's the discs and heavier wheels I guess. I might upgrade to carbon wheels in the future to get a bit more of that snappy feel, but will run on the r470s for a while and see if I might just get used to them just fine. I only rode few short distances so far, as weather is crap, but so far so good. Can't wait for spring and getting more use out of it!