Old 07-12-22, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by noimagination
1. A rider and a car approach an intersection at right angles to each other. The traffic signal is malfunctioning, giving a green light to both. A collision ensues. Who did something wrong?
Both. There's nothing that requires this scenario to be unavoidable.

It's really no different than the case where one of the vehicles was running a red light, The person with the green should have some idea that the red light might be run: that's basic defensive driving.

(Anyway, I don't think traffic signals fail this way at all.)

Originally Posted by noimagination
2. A rider is on the shoulder, a car is about to pass them. A deer jumps out into the path of the rider, causing the rider to swerve into the path of the car, and the car hits him. Who did something wrong?
This might be a case that is unavoidable.

Originally Posted by noimagination
Originally Posted by rydabent
A collision between a car and a bike is never an accident. Some one did something wrong.
Your statement displays sheer ignorance.
Rydabent's statement is an exaggeration. But this position makes people more safe because it encourages defensive driving. (It doesn't make truly unavoidable situations less safe.)

You, on the other hand, see avoidable situations (the green light example) as unavoidable. This position makes people less safe.

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