Did not read the referenced 4 page thread.
Instead thought I'd share a short story about a great handling mid-80's, Columbus SL frame, Light Action indexed Shimano shifting race bike.

It handles so precisely and quickly, when one's body is properly positioned, like a true thoroughbred. ; Full-on race bike. Tight front center.

And a member I respect calls it a lowly ___ (Italian brand).

That's the way it goes sometimes. .

Self-confidence & thick skin helps to a degree.

Franken what?