Jeff is at my place right now in Niles, Michigan as he is on his way to the Auburn Bicycle Classic being held this week end at the car museum in Auburn, Indiana. We are both giving presentations on Friday. Some of you might want go to hear his presentation. We are both going to be in a discussion panel right after lunch Friday with a few other well known builders. Also here is Tim Massengill a guy I taught to build frames back in the 80's. He has helped me with our Ukraine Bicycle Project from its beginning in 2000. He does carbon repairs and repaints now. He has repaired George W Bush's carbon Trek a couple of times including paint repair. The former president's Trek bike has the presidential seal and a "43" on it. All of us stayed up late and talked about spray guns and painting techniques. Jeff and I met on RAGBRAI in the late 70's and have been friends sharing building and painting techniques ever since. We will chat about building methods today. I'll explain how my made-in-Ukraine fixture works. Jeff brought along the coolest bike holding mechanism for painting as well as his new spray guns. He is a recent convert to gravity feed guns after not being able to get repair parts for his old Devilbiss guns anymore. Rich Gangl is going to join us when he can get all the bikes he is presenting ready to go. The bikes Rich and Jeff are bringing are amazing. Rich and I went together to the very 1st titanium welding class UBI offered 30 years.