I agree with FBinNY, in the early 2000s while doing vendor evaluations for industry I was fascinated by the shift in fakes and quality legitimate production endruns, etc. from the alley behind the American Embassy to the massive Silk Street Market. If the parent company does not do it's due diligence and manufacturer can get the same steel supplier, have all the production equipment ready to go, only short the Shimano provided packaging so the package lettering or color is off you might actually get a good deal.