Originally Posted by LeeG

I’ve been looking around for a replacement for my Rivindell Clem Smith Jr that I put a BBSHD on. It’s a great rig but I’m worried I’m going to work the frame to failure but maybe that’s not a reality. Anyway the seat tube on the Surly looks deceptively slack but the bb is located behind it so the effective seat angle is about the same as my Clem Smith and the super long chainstay is just a little longer than the Clem Smith. I’m no longer a fast rider and find the ClemSmith to have the best handling for my hilly, rural dirt riding.