And by old I mean barely C&V. 2nd gen Ram 2500, single cab, long bed (as God intended), 4x4. I love the 1st gens, but they don't exist anymore, really, or at least in daily driver spec. Many have roasted paint, tons of dents, blown out interiors, and/or carb'd motors, and I'm just interested in a heavy "driving" project. Not to worry about 2nd gens as plenty of those are dented and missing all top-facing surfaces paint etc etc. It's a lot nicer truck than the 1st gens, but it's still a very real truck. The new stuff is mind-blowingly capable and refined, but one has to really pay to play.