Thank you Ben for all your input and look forward to the next great thread or post. I too have met great friends and enjoyed learning from others as well as sharing . Five K posts….WOW! I had a great Father’s Day . Went for an early ride on my Windsor Pro , came home and had a nice phone call from my daughter who was driving towards Donner Pass. Then I got some wrenching in on my Colnago, installing some Panto bits I recently acquired and some chain maintenance. Finished off the day trimming some of my rare palms that I planted over 20 years ago , a great day , I hope all the dads had the day they wanted . As fathers we hope that we give our children the tools to someday become great humans that can make a difference in this world .