Originally Posted by Kapusta

Well since literally anything is out there if you look hard enough, this becomes an exercise in silliness.

I assume people are talking about things no longer on bikes of the type and price range they are looking at buying.

I would take “tubes” as meaning tires/rims that can’t be run tubeless. For obvious reasons, manufacturers can’t ship them tubeless, but as I pointed out earlier two recent bikes, we bought actually came set up tubeless. No tubes included.