Originally Posted by ventolin
Agreed - I got the impression that dealing with him is subject to his moodiness on a given day. Problem is, I'd like to get a frame of equivalent quality and italian-ness

There's something about an Italian bike built in SLX that makes it difficult to replace with anything other than an equally pretty Italian bike in SLX, and I imagine that Mr. Grumpy's got loads of 'em. I also have no idea how to price this thing - I've seen'em go built up with campy record stuff for up to $1200 on ebay, but I wouldn't begin to know how to price it as a frame and fork - another factor that inclines me to try to work a straight trade for something equivalent that fits. Wishful thinging maybe

Yeah, the Benotto he has hanging on the wall is nice and has never been built up and he quoted me 700$ for it.....I really wish it weren't my size

That peach-coloured Colnago pursuit frame really caught my eye, I didn't ask about the price though as I am sure it was out of my league. I've been spoiled by my commuter/beater bike being a Ciocc with SLX tubing....everything else just seems like crap once you've been riding a nice Italian steel steed for a few years. Maybe I can take in my old Gardin frame and Miyata frame and he will put them into the price of that Benotto. Does anyone have any idea of what John has got lurking in the back of his shop?