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Old 12-12-23 | 11:07 PM
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Russ Roth
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Bikes: 2010 Carrera Volans, 2015 C-Dale Trail 2sl, 2017 Raleigh Rush Hour, 2017 Blue Proseccio, 1992 Giant Perigee, 80s Gitane Rallye Tandem

Originally Posted by Jon_g2
I know there are a lot of people that have never had issues with hookless. There are, however, enough people that have had issues for me to stay away from them. One guy on YouTube made a perfect point about why hookless don't belong on road bikes. He said that airplane tires and car tires have been tubeless for a long time, but the beads they use are so strong and stiff that you need a huge machine to put them on and they don't go in with your hands like road bike tires. He also said that those huge tires have a metal wire in their beads to further strengthen the bead and make them safe.

​​​​​More power to you for trusting hookless but in the mean time, I don't.
I ended up with some hookless MTB rims by accident, the price was cheap enough they weren't worth sending back. My distrust of hookless involves a lot of tire blow offs that left my ears ringing every time, but I figured I'd try them. For my kid's bike I installed the plain factory tires since they were new enough figuring the steel bead wouldn't stretch. I had to run a tube since they're no tubeless compatible but the tire remaining in place hasn't mattered, but I would agree, what works well at 25psi on a mtb isn't something I'm willing to trust either at 80psi on a road bike.

Originally Posted by dedhed
I and many others have changed plenty of tires without a huge machine.
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Unfortunately while taking that hammer to some tire/rim combos would be very therapeutic in the short term to beat a carbon rim into submission, there might be some regrets later
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