Originally Posted by
genejockey
And now you're contradicting yourself.
So, what happens if you angle the head tube back even farther? You bring the bars closer.
Did you give up on whatever your original point was? Because none of this seems to address any of that.
I'm not contradicting myself. "Reach" is defined as distance from the BB. But how we actually sit on bikes doesn't work like that because bending forward increases the distance from the saddle that we can easily get to.
Stack and reach are problematic numbers because they document a vertical and horizontal intersection with an angled line. So they yield limited useful information and cause confusion.
My point, which sosmellyair alludes to, is that there is nothing special about an endurance bike considering a race bike with a tall head tubes and large tires is just as easy to ride.