I think it's time we let this thread wind down. Then we can get back to the truly important topics -- like whether those $100+ name-brand jerseys are a waste of money, or whether anyone really needs a bike that costs over $2000 (or $3000, or whatever the OP's personal threshold might be), or whether a cycle computer is a waste of money given that you can just attach a phone to your handlebar, or...or...or...