Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly

there is a quote, but I don’t recall who said it, but the builder said “it looked like the insides of the tubing had been polished by little men”

I can say my ‘79 Trek 514, in full Ishiwata 022 tubing is my best riding bike.

That’s wholly subjective, I’m an over 200lb rider on a 24” frame, and I find it’s the frame that will plane for me when I get the right cadence going.

I’d love to find another, lots (comparatively speaking) of the 400 series floating around with 022 trebi tubing and hi tension fork and stays, (which could ride just as nicely, who knows!) but harder to find the full 022 tubed 510 models.