A few people in this thread (and invetiably in every "what bike for me?" Thread) recommended buying an older bike because you get a good bike that will do the commute for a fraction of the cost..... sound advice and just figured i would show off that someone took the advice. If you spend time in the C&V section you will know, if not, you are finding out now.... my 1982 Austro Diamler SLE, built from the frame up, will be taking over for the MTB i bought as my "5 mile commute bike"