Originally Posted by
Jrasero
I am claiming this because I have seen and ridden both. Once you are able to do that I will take what you are saying with more value but until then you just come off as an old head
And you are one individual with unknown qualifications, along with an obvious confirmation bias wanting to find them to be exactly the same. That has infinitesimally more than zero value to determining whether the two are exactly the same or not.
It could very well be that if given 10 different carbon layups from development testing, all painted the same, you'd think they were all exactly the same because your perception is set based on visual appearance. You may think you're a qualified expert to evaluate bikes, but that is not a fact in evidence.