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Old 11-20-24 | 08:19 PM
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This is from the now-removed comments on the earlier with the 12% planing experiment.

Jan Heine, Editor, Bicycle Quarterly November 24, 2014 at 9:22 am #That research was done by Gary Houchin-Miller. He did a finite element analysis of a bicycle frame, and looked at the three flex patterns that occur. He found that when relaxed, each flex returned the energy to the drivetrain by pulling the chain forward. His research was published in Bicycle Quarterly Vol. 4, No. 4, as well as on his (now-defunct) web site.
More info on the critique that he could tell the bikes apart. Alex Wetmore was rider #3 and has confirmed elsewhere he couldn't tell any of the bikes apart:

Jan Heine, Editor, Bicycle Quarterly November 24, 2014 at 7:25 pm #
You can feel the flexibility of the frame you are riding
Interestingly, the frames all felt the same – only their performance was different. If it the flexibility of a frame was easy to feel, then our third rider would have had no trouble identifying the bikes. Yet he was unable to identify the different frames, even though he thought he felt differences.
we know what your opinion is
At the time of the test, we didn’t have a clear opinion. Both testers just had received custom frames with stiffer frames, so 1) we were used to stiffer frames and 2) we had some investment in the performance of stiffer frames.
If our “opinions” have changed based on the results of the test, then that is to be expected. Otherwise, we’d be pretty stubborn!
Sort of loses the plot here and makes some word salad, while contradicting himself from earlier (?):

​​​​​​​Jan Heine, Editor, Bicycle Quarterly November 28, 2014 at 7:22 am #

Just like you, I have published extensively in peer-reviewed journals in my previous career as a geologist. BQ contributor Mark Vande Kamp still works as a scientist designing exactly these kinds of studies. He frequently publishes in peer-reviewed journals.
Many people assume that Bicycle Quarterly‘s articles are not peer-reviewed. This is incorrect: All our important test articles are peer-reviewed. This is unique among cycling publications. The double-blind test was reviewed by Jim Papadopoulos and Hank Folsom. Jim is probably the most scientific of bicycle researchers, having published in Science and other prestigious journals. Hank has more experience with frame tubing than almost anybody.
You concern about the study cohort is an interesting one. You misunderstand the hypothesis. If our hypothesis was that “planing” was a factor that influenced bicycle performance for average riders, then our study would have been flawed. However, that was not our hypothesis.
Our hypothesis was that the sensations of accessibility of a bike’s performance that Bicycle Quarterly‘s testers feel on the road are real and intrinsic to the frame. Basically, we wanted to know how reliable our observations were. We found that they held up in a double-blind test. We could reliably detect very small differences in frame tubing.
Of course, you cannot conclude from this that “planing” works for everybody. In fact, we included a third rider in the tests, who thought he could detect differences, but whose observations were random. So we already know that for relatively small differences in frame tubing, there are some experienced riders who don’t feel the difference. We thought about expanding the study with more subjects, but concluded that it would not tell us anything new.
The number of study subjects would have to be large to get statistically significant results. We’d need 100+ study subjects, and all we’d show is that some people experience a difference in performance and feel on these bikes and others don’t. It might be interesting to compare more dissimilar frames – say a Surly Long-Haul Trucker with a superlight frame (with the weight equalized), but I am afraid that running tests with hundreds of subjects is beyond our budget. And in the end, the readers still would be left wondering whether they belong to the group for whom “planing” matters or to the group for whom it doesn’t.
In summary, we showed that “planing” exists, not how prevalent it is.
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