[QUOTE=veganbikes;23419027]Nice I am more a roadie and have zero velodromes in my area so a track bike makes no sense but a nice fixed gear road bike would be perfect.

fair enough I’d love to have a fixed road frame myself - someday - at the moment it’s more Japanese Keirin frames that temp me - they all ride differently - it’s fun!

The 'guchi is pretty nice, he does excellent work. I really want to take Koichi's course and build a frame with him at some point. I would do it, well worth it.

Yeah its mind bending that he offers that course and has the reputation that makes taking it such a holy grail experience - I wish my time was my own and my finances could justify it. He is indeed a master craftsman. Do it if you can.

Ticycles looks pretty impressive - for titanium I’ve looked at Weis,no22, & Litespeed. But as I said I have never had the chance to try titanium - and thin wall steel is so nice where I ride so at this point if I were to go custom I would go lugged steel.