Originally Posted by Spoonrobot

My point was, it's not always clear. The INGRID derailleur counterfeits are a good example. Someone bought one from Aliexpress and the only way to tell it was counterfeit was the serial number. He couldn't determine any visual differences without using a caliper, and even then he did not have a good idea of the acceptable range of measurements he was taking. Within the realm of possibility that the person doing returns would see an item in a box and not be able to tell. As I said earlier, the counterfeit klampers I have handled were returned in a Paul box and only because I noticed the issue with the arm length did I start investigating.

The visual differences between fake klampers were minimal, nobody knew until I got a pair in hand and was able to identify using pictures the indicators of a counterfeit. We don't know any of the tells for other Paul products, or other counterfeits. Does anyone know and can illustrate the counterfeit indicators for the Growtacs posted above?

I don't feel everyone is against me, but it's obvious someone has a grudge when they are tagging me or quoting me repeatedly after I've made it clear that I don't wish to reply to (or read) their posts. Like I said, not a problem for me but it may be for others. Would be better if we could remove other user's ability to see our posts or threads. Would certainly cut down on the mental consternation I seem to cause some members here.