Originally Posted by jpc2001

I recently picked up a Nitto S-84. Two things I don't love about it:

1. It weighs 400g almost exactly, not the 300g claimed on some sites.

2. The tilt adjustment range is narrow. What I'd consider a neutral tilt is nearly the furthest nose-up position available. (At least that's true on one particular WTB saddle.) If you like a real nose-up tilt you might not be able to achieve it.

Other facts about it: The setback is somewhere between 35mm and 40mm. It sets your wallet back too. It is at least shiny.

To those who said needing more setback is a symptom of having the wrong frame size: people's bodies are different shapes and we can't all afford custom frame geometries. I ride an old steel Bianchi road frame that really should be my size, it's a 56cm frame and I am 5'8" and a smidge. Its seat tube angle is 72 degrees, less steep than most. The stock seatpost has some setback, about 12mm, it's not zero setback. And yet: on the stock seatpost I had to slam the saddle all the way back on the rails (past "MAX") to almost reach KOPS. On the Nitto, I can hit KOPS and the seatpost clamp is within the non-warranty-voiding section of the rails. (I know KOPS is a "starting point" but I find it quite comfy.)

It would be great if you could easily get a 56cm frame with a 70 degree seat tube angle. But apart from heavy antique Schwinn Varsities and Continentals, such a geometry is rare. I'm happy about the Nitto despite its shortcomings, since it would let me fit almost any old road frame, so long as the seat tube inner diameter is 27.2mm. Even one with a more typical 73 degree seat tube angle should work.