Originally Posted by
grumpus
Always seemed like a bodge to me - if you want to carry stuff on a race bike use a backpack, seat pack, bar bag; if you want to tour get a touring bike, or at least a training bike with rack/fender eyelets. Or you can use P-clamps on metal seat stays, maybe not on high-end carbon.
yep.. i used a backpack for laundry, and would sit a double-bagged sack of groceries on my handlebars/stem... had a big seat pouch for small stuff. My 930R trek race bike was my only local transportation for more than a decade.