Forgot to mention as we were riding back a pair of riders passed me and one of them called out "Hey Big John". Turned out to be former BF member MarkAJ. Haven't seen him in years. I checked and he hasn't posted since 2008. That was probably when they started a new forum called SoCal Bike Forum. A bunch of local riders went there and it lasted for a while, at least a few years. Actually picked up some advertisers and paid for itself, then poof, it was gone.