Originally Posted by
Kontact
A lot of this discussion misses the fact that frame sizing is general and specific fit is accomplised with stem and seatpost.
Most road bikes that come in 2cm increments only change reach by about 1cm per size. Yet "normal" stems come 90mm to 130mm - a 4cm spread. You would have to get the bike size wildly off before it becomes unlikeable due to TT length.
Which is why the best guide to sizing is the manufacturer's height to size guide.
Saddle fore-aft affects pedaling mechanics and weight distribution. A 4cm change in stem length is a night and day difference in handling.
Stumbling into a frame size based on a meaningless seat tube length and then afterwards attempting to carry out fit with the aforementioned hack bandaids is dummy stupid and ass-backwards.
The seat tube is the only tube that can be freely adjusted on whim. Get the correct reach frame, and afterwards you can slide the seat post any way you want. Stumble into buying the wrong reach frame and you are permanently cucked and stuck with your dummy bandaids that screw up the rest of your fit.
Manufacturer's height guide is a starting suggestion at best. Two people who are the same height but have different torso/leg length ratio will need different reach frames.
You need to stop screwing with people. It's bad enough that you sabotage your own cycling with your farcically wrong ignorance. Don't mess other people up too.
"Mr I don't even know what the term reach means". Dunning Kruger gold award of the 21st century.
Originally Posted by
Kontact
reach (whatever that means).