Let's see what lessons there may be in Andy's adventures. He is making these forks just out of goodness. They will be heading to Ukraine to be united with the fillet brazed frames already made by Tim and Yuriy in Bucha Ukraine (google that city if you can stand reading about horrible badness). Some years ago I told a children's story in church. My daughter was about 7 at the time and when they came to sit in the front she sat as far away from me as she could. She was used to her mom leading up front but not her dad and she wanted to pretend she didn't know me if I messed up. As background children's stories often follow a patten of little Johnny or Suzy did something good and as a result, something good happened to them in return. But of course in the real world that isn't often true. My story involved driving east on the toll road when it began to snow with freezing rain. My wipers wren't doing their job so I stopped at a variety store to get some new ones. I was delighted when I went into the store (an Andersons near Toledo) and wipers were on sale! Great! As I was starting to make my selection I see an old guy needing some new ones too looking confused. Sensing his need for help, I asked if he needed assistance. Oh please he said. Of course you know what comes next. He had no idea how to put them on. So in the freezing snow/rain I take my gloves off the put them on. This is a job I truly hate because I never know which of the serval ways the wipers come off and how to put new ones back on. Anyway some time later freezing cold I come back into the store to get my wipers and the sale sign is gone! My sob story of helping didn't move the manager at all to honor their old sale price. He told me I should have bought them when they were on sale (a half hour ago), Good to know now. The situation was so funny I actually didn't get mad. The moral of the story of course is that we do good things for others because we get satisfaction from that and not for a return. So Andy thanks for your help and I'm sorry for the punishment you got in return. The reality is my friends in Ukraine really are suffering in so many ways!