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Originally Posted by MonsieurChrono
I've had the opposite experience actually, to the point that it doesn't feel like I'm doing much of a workout, but if I come along a group I might ride with them for the chance to get a PR on a flat-ish section and/or recover a bit and/or get some protection from a headwind, I'm simply getting sucked forwards. However, my longest group-ride, a small group of 4 cyclists, has been just about 50 km long, and with the low effort that I felt I put in I would have done that loop at around 27 km/h avg solo, so I was surprised to see 30 km/h in the end, 31 km/h avg during the section between introductions and goodbyes, I mean, OK the speed was nothing wild but I ended fresher than how I started, which is what was wild to me. (During the small climb from Assas to Saint-Vincent-de-Barbeyrargues my speed is all over the place because two of the guys had been dropped and we were waiting for them.)

There is a GCN video with Conor Dunne, an ex racer and a giant, who maxed out at around 45 grams of exogenous glucose per hour, and he basically runs on carbs all the time. I suspect though that in the future there will be another video about how he managed to increase his uptake of glucose as a means for GCN to advertise some personalized training service and sell yet another product. What you say about the carbs on the bike relates to insulin resistance for instance, but it doesn't solve the glycation issue for example, because the blood will carry the sugar and the hemoglobin in it will have more chances to get glycated, sugar is metabolically very active and has to be dealt with as fast as possible.

A probably better way: We let our body cover its whatever requirement in glucose from lactate, triglycerides, even-chain fatty acids, amino acids like alanine, and so on. If we are determined to punish our body by digging it into a hole for whatever reason, we supplement with 2 dates per hour.
We don't really have personal experience of what works and what doesn't until we've ridden say, 150 miles and 10,000' in the mountains and finished in say 10 hours saddle time, feeling just fine except for needing a shower, a Coke, and some ice cream. Experience is the best teacher or as the Germans put it, practice makes the master. Believe me, 2 dates/hour won't be enough. For 50k neither water nor food is necessary unless it's really hot. It all depends on total kJ expended. On long hard rides, I try to take in half my kJ in calories, mostly fast carbs.

I try to follow the recs for daily protein, getting a lot of it from protein powder. The trick is to recover quickly enough that one can ride some every day if desired. Averaging 100 miles/week year 'round is a good goal and requires decent nutrition.
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