The selective cut and paste responses to fit your narratives is fairly humorous, especially when the remainder of the response outlines my position. But if that’s the only way you’re able to support your arguments then so be it. I am only pointing out what got Campagnolo in the predicament they are in today. Which somehow triggered a defense response disputing what is already known. Now they are supposedly a top tier consumer goods business in a highly technical competitive environment which has just laid off 40% of their staff and are in serious financial difficulty. This is an extremely precarious position to be in and unless they change direction, fatal. Rather than basing your responses on nostalgic memories of groups long since out of production try offering solutions of your own. As stated numerous times and deflected by personal attacks, they have gone from market leader to last place with an almost unmeasurable market share. SRAM in the meantime from entering the road scene in 2006 and introducing RED in 2008 now is actively fighting it out with Shimano for enthusiasts support.