Originally Posted by carlton
Hey Interested-What you have demonstrated is that by your own admission internal gears are more popular with commuters in your area.
Yes, but among high milage, high speed, all weather commuters, derailleurs are a majority. (based among other things, on observing the rear wheel of the many commuters that pass me in the morning
)
I never claimed that internal gear hubs didn't work, or is a wrong choice for low milage commuting, or those that only uses their bike infrequently.
Originally Posted by carlton
Even though they are in the majority you feel they made the wrong choice and that you are the correct one and they are incapable of making a sound decision.
[cut]
Their choice may be OK for their use, or maybe not. I don't claim to know what is best for others, what ever rocks your boat is fine by me.
What I do claim however is, that a lot of internal gear hub proponents seems to make their choice on very ill informed premises (taken from this thread).
1. One tries to argues, that heavy hubs are an advantage.
2. Several claims that index /gear shifting problems are worse with derailleurs, they are not; both systems are subject to the same index /shifting problems, since the indexing are in the shifter, not in the gear system.
3. A lot of people seems to think that rear derailleur maintenance is something difficult; all this maintenance consist of is some lube on the pulley wheels, and the joints of the derailleur arm, perhaps a couple of times a year. There is nothing to it.
4. Another thinks that it is necessary to watch your chain while shifting with a derailleur, or think that derailleur shifters are difficult to operate (they are not)
5. A lot of people seem to base their derailleur experience on incredible cheap $5 stamped derailleurs on shoddy old bikes, with dodgy thumb shifters and noodle cables. Hardly fair to compare that to a $200 gear hub. People really don't seem to say; "I tried a Shimano Ultegra hub with a 105 derailleur and a SRAM PG cassete (total price roughly same price as a Nexus 8 hub) but preferred the shifting action/rolling resistance/etc of my internal gears."
6. Everybody seems to thinks that internal gear hubs are some magical devices, that never needs grease repacking or bearing replacements. This is just a myth.
One hardly makes sound decisions based on these misunderstandings.
Originally Posted by carlton
Don't know if you noticed but you are in the Commuting forum. Might try the road forum for a more favorable veiw of derailleurs.
Cheers.
Well, I know I am in the commuter forum, and a lot of commuters like me uses derailleurs. I am not angling for a favorable veiw of derailleurs, I allready know that they are a good idea. I much prefer a civilized discussion with those that disagree
--
Regards