Yeah, but there's a catch. I'm a weight weenie, so I want Al; and I am told that used Al handlebars crack like nobody's business... I like my teeth. Maybe I should buy a used steel bar cheap, try it, and then look for a flashy expensive new Al from abroad if I'm sure I want it, or an ebay deal comes up. I'm getting to really like the Nitto 018. It's almost perfect, 'cept that the short front bit is too curvy. I'd prefer a bend and then a minute straight bit. Oh well...