i think i ran into that bike club tonight...i passed them as they were beginning and a guy flew off the front and blew buy me (i was doing 24mph at the time) and I never saw him again...a few minutes later their pace line caught up and I hung at the back around the loop out to west end and back to the park entrance. I'm not skilled yet at riding with a group so I stayed back just using them as a pace setter. I was looking at Tarmac's just recently but i decided to get my Pegoretti and I couldn't be happier...don't see too many of those out on the road