Gosh, in all my fifty five years, I've never been part of a clique before! (None would have me, I should confess.) I'm humbled...

Anyway, this "debate" isn't going to change anyone's mind so I'm going to drop it like a lead pipe. A hot potato? Whatever. I-Like-To-Bike -- have a good day (I'm serious!) and enjoy your bike. I sure enjoy mine.