Here's to Dnvr and us all. To me, "Old Fart Cyclist" is an in-group term.....my riding friends and I are very good natured about swapping it. Were I to hear some young rider growl "Move over you old fart" I would be highly annoyed. My speed and power may be less than his, but my dedication, hitting the road at sun-up, coming in toasted some days, facing traffic, dogs, etc. are the same as his. I'm saving to lay out a chunk on a new bike next season when I hit 60. I'm serious (and not in the vain, self promoting elitist sense we just finished discussing), I take myself so, enjoy healthy teasing and acknowledging limitations, but don't like disregard/disrespect either. So.......................Dnvr is "right", and so is DG.

I'm open to any jersey logo we can all agree and be happy with----this is not an issue to "drop" anyone on, nor to be a point of contention......I understand we're calling it a TEAM logo. End of Unneeded Sermon. [GG has left the site to get dinner.]