I have a 585 that i love, have had it about 3 months. I actually tried to get an R3, ordered it in Nov 05, was told it would be here in March, thenin Feb they told me it would be here in July. I didn't want to wait so i switched to the Look, which is actually what I originally wanted before this very forum infected me with cervelo-itis. The look is a few grams heavier and a few hundred more expensive, but i have found no reason to regret my decision so far. Hard to go wrong with either one.