I have come across this before on my local trails. My friend and I were riding through some local forest trails (my hardrock Ax Fs and my friend, Trek Fuel 80) came across some guys on fs bikes stumpjumper fsr Giant something or other and a cannondale in the mix all about 3-5000 dollar bikes with full riding gear and what not. after some scoffing and some look at the ancient hard tail they got pretty pissed when I told them that theyre fat asses probably couldnt keep up with us....and they couldnt. enough said.