As I said above, in my opinion, if you're not riding in dry, dusty conditions, White Lightning is not the lube to use. It simply doesn't lubricate as well as an oil based lube.......it's only advantage is the dry, waxy coating it leaves on the outside of the chain that dust and grit don't stick to like they do to oily lubes. If you're road riding, I'd go to an oil based lube (the ProLink Gold is my choice) and forget about White Lightning. As for the Epic White Lightning, as I mentioned above, it's better overall than the original White Lightning, but still, its main advantage is in dusty conditions. Oil lubes lubricate better than it, too-