I agree with the spirit f the thread. sorry about the pissy response. Making bikes more accessible is great. Where I get annoyed is when people act holier than though about knowing how to shift gears, or ride fixed, or pull a wicked natty fab (I still can't natty fab I suck). Thing is it's great to feel good about your accomplishments I'm all for that, and I like to challenge myself as a cyclist, none of it's really all that hard, and this whole I'm a real cyclist, and they're not just smacks of elitism to me. The whole "we're the twue cyclists and they're not" boo*****. is obnoxious, and it's especially silly since all it really takes to be a cyclists is a bike, at least one good leg and a halfway decent sense of balance. As far as being a "serious cyclist" why bother. cycling is fun. An 8 year old could tell ya that.