Guys, after some charity rides of 40 milers and some light overnight touring here in N. California, I really like my trekking bars. When I feel the need to stretch out, the hands forward position is comfortable.

Bikingbets, big thumbs up on the B17 which is now on my Bianchi Eros. My Marin came with a WTB seat which is great for anything under 20 miles. Love the Marin geometry and ride.