FWIW, not that I've had many brand of shorts / bibs other than Performance brand... I finally got a deal on the Ultras. I delayed trying them out until recently (I wanted them "fresh" and unstretched for a century this weekend) and wow! they are fantastic! The pad feels like it's not even there, in a good way, and the compression, at least until they stretch out, is great. My brother who has worn quite a few different sorts of bibs and shorts and also has a set (of the bib knicker variety) agrees that they are the best he's ever worn.