I also thought the brooks felt better than any other saddle from the start(it arrived last week) - I had to adjust my b17 a little bit in terms of getting the nose just right - but except for some initial soft tissue soreness (fixed after adjustment) - i did not notice the saddle at all - it was good enough that I bought a team pro s for road bike (the lenghth is better for me on road bike) and moved my b17 to hybrid - rode both tonight - 6 miles each ( I know that is not a great distance- but I am still getting used to new road bike riding position)- no pain anywhere.