Hmmm. Looks like Horace Bates was revived by Ron Cooper, of Gillots, but that the E.G. Bates business continued until 2002 without needing revival. These are certainly, then, more recent products of the E.G. Bates business, which fits this sellers timeline. It looks like $800-1000 is more of a relevant price, but there's a fair chance I can buy these a long way under that. Might be investment time.