Sounds like so I was too hasty condemning Miche based on that one set of low-grade hubs...but I never owned any others, certainly not any Competitions and nothing that anybody would call "Campy-nice". Reminds me of how my impression of Normandy hubs (based on a lot of cheap bike-boom large-flange hubs) was revised way up when I got my first set of Pro hubs with the red seals...like night and day as I recall them.