there was some talk about cycling knickers a while back. knowing the high prices of some of the brands i decided to order a pair of these. i know they are really just modified dickies workpants but i have a couple of pair of them (unmodified) and they last forever and are fairly cheap. just something to chew on for those of you who don't want to shell out $150 for a pair of the fancies. $35 you can't go wrong. i'll give a full report once i they are delivered.