I have one pair of Nashbar cheapies, but the rest are some very nice Ascent shorts I picked up on eBay for $18 each. They are 8 panel, and pretty heavy, I think 8oz fabric. They're about a year old, and still look new after twice weekly washing (I only have 3 pair of shorts). Can't beat 'em. I'm going to buy a few more so I can wash only once a week.