I agree Mtn bike shorts are just fine. I examine the pad of the couple mtn bike shorts, I have had -no comparsion. Just do not have that cushy effect. Maybe I just have not found the right pair. Seems my Zoic's were $70. My work commute used to be 26 miles enough time in the saddle to cause a little pain if not properly protected. Genec.From what I see. Helmets are catching up. First bike trips to France, thought helmet wearers were under 25%. Here, from what I see it is over 50%.