What's the difference between dumb and dumber? I thought freds were inexperienced cyclists who bought Lance-type bikes and team kits? You often see them riding the long stretches in the small ring (where everyone else is hammering in the big ring) with their knees sticking out almost as far as their bellies. Most of these guys that I run into have always been quick to offer a greeting with a smile, and look like they are having fun. I usually refer to them as cyclists or budding cyclists.