lol, ok.. I am still going to test ride the 820 and 4100.. If I like one of them i'll buy it. It's not a huge deal, I want a back-up bike. A bike that I can use if my 6500 breaks down (like it usually does). A bike that my friends can use when they come over. I am not looking to save up $1000 so I can buy a bike that you guys approve of. I am looking for a bike from a quality brand that'll last. Thanks for all your help.