haha, yea, i found an old ross eurotour 5 speed the other day, but i guess i may have came off a little to harsh, the bike wont be totally abandoned, but surely it will not receive a great deal of attention (not as much as my road bike). i guess i really wanted to know, all of these bike are rather similar, whether it be a motobecane or fuji or what have you, what do you guys reccomend? are all these frames made in tiwan, or are some better? i guess i am looking for the best of the worst in this situation