well, apart from starting at the same place, we were barely with the group at all. Some speedy girl kept up with us at the beginning for about 10-15 minutes and then rob got a flat and we were passed by pretty much everyone. Then we we were passing people too slow to ride with and the faster people were ahead of us getting further away. We didn't use the same turnaround point and took a different route back. Once we got onto warden we started to see dozens of non FFL roadies in helmets or not. They were as much a part of the FFL ride as us. Given that the ride to lake simcoe is very straight and simple theres alot of bikes on it so its kind of strange that rob got hassled so much for his helmet; there was no way to tell whether he was on the ride or not and I doubt the FFL riders had been hassling everybody training north of the city...